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Why I’m no Longer “HCLF” or “RawTil4”

I’ve mentioned this before in previous videos I have made on my Youtube channel, but I haven’t written anything about it here on my blog. So… that’s what I’m going to do today.

(I also just uploaded another Youtube explaining the same thing as my last video, but in shorter terms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aHClR2bIAM )

Basically I started off eating HCLF and “RawTil4” ish lifestyles around May 2014. HCLF means “High Carb Low Fat”, and Raw Till 4 is a diet/lifestyle where you eat raw fruits and veggies for breakfast and lunch, then have a nice high carb cooked meal for dinner. They are both created, I think, by Youtube sensation Freelee the Banana Girl.

When I first found this diet/lifestyle, I thought it was AMAZING! As you can see here, I wrote ecstatic blog posts detailing how amazing it is and how it works for everybody. Little did I know at the time, it doesn’t, and I was acting like a little brainwashed Freelee child.

 But let’s back up a little bit.

So before I switched to this lifestyle, I was still eating lots of fruit and veggies, and was super healthy and stuff; I just did whatever I wanted, not following any rules or guidelines. I was slim, fit, and happy.

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But the more I watched Freelee’s videos, and the more people on Instagram who I saw switching to this lifestyle, made me want to be just like them and do exactly what they were doing. I eventually started increasing my portion sizes and eating tons more because that’s what everybody else does, and that is what Freelee preaches after all: Eating in abundance, no restricting, and eating unlimited calories. Oh, and may I add she also would say “I barely even work out”, or she’d show her stomach off in videos and say, “I eat unlimited calories with minimal exercise”

article-2601633-1CFF8BED00000578-843_638x624I was so brainwashed that I literally believed that just eating raw fruits and vegetables automatically gave you a flat stomach. And whenever I’d feel full or bloated on days, I’d try to go Fully Raw, as if it were a cure for not feeling slim.

So fast forward to Winter 2014. I was eating quite large portion sizes of all HCLF meals. I know many people on this lifestyle eat about 8 or more bananas for breakfast, but I could never do that. I’d always have 4 bananas for breakfast, either in a smoothie or nana ice cream. So 4 bananas, plus fruit, or water/almond mylk, whatever I added to the smoothie. Then for lunch I’d make a sandwich, or oatmeal, or have veggies and hummus. Then for dinner I’d make GIANT salads with spinach, avocado, and every single vegetable in my fridge. Or I’d have 2 cups of rice pasta + tomato sauce, or 4 potatoes cooked into fries. (This is all while I was living away for Uni)

Everybody knew I ate a lot. My family would always ask if my giant salad bowl was for the family, and I’d be like “uhh… no, this is just my portion size”. And at my house where I lived with my friends, they would sometimes say, “oh, you can’t finish all that,” and I’d be like, “yesss I can! This is how much I need to eat!!!”

I literally stretched my stomach so that it needed bigger portion sizes. And I convinced myself that this is how much I needed to eat to suffice myself and “get in enough calories”.

I also wasn’t working out much, because I don’t usually workout in the winter time. (Cause school=stress, and it’s freezing in Canada, and ya) (I usually always start working out in April for summer time and go for bike rides daily etc) AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS OKAY BECAUSE APPARENTLY FREELEE DOES MINIMAL EXERCISE AND HAS THE MOST BANGIN BOD EVER.

This clearly wasn’t working for me, but I was oblivious to that.

I had a wakeup call when I went to the doctor’s for my yearly physical, and glanced down at the paper work to see my weight.

Now, coming from a past of disordered thoughts and eating, I stopped weighing myself over a year ago. Once I found plant based veganism, I was so happy and learned self-love and happiness. I never needed to weigh myself.

But once I saw the number on that page, I freaked. According to the doctor’s scale, I had gained 30 lbs (13.6 kg for you Aussies) over the winter.

I WAS SHOCKED. APPALLED. How could I have gained so much weight when I was eating all the right foods and doing exactly what Freelee and everyone else says to do?

I was determined that it was my fault. That I was eating too many vegan treats, like chips+hummus as a snack once in a while. So I cut out all my favourite vegan treats and stopped night time snacking.

It wasn’t until about April or May 2015 (so now it’s summer season approaching) that I noticed I had stretch marks on my bum, and cellulite on my tummy. I have NEVER had these things before, and it made me so upset.

I heard about Dry Brushing, and had to try it to get rid of cellulite on my stomach.

I feel like I was in a state of denial about my eating and weight gain, until my mom told me, “it’s because you’re eating too much”

And I was all like, “NO, YOU’RE WRONG. Freelee eats 3000+ calories a day and barely works out, so can I”

I had this brainwashed mindset that was so CLEARLY WRONG FOR ME, and wasn’t working for me, yet I ignored all the signs my body was giving me because I was too busy listening to other people’s advice instead of my own body.

In June 2015 (current time) I went away to Australia for a month to travel. I ate out at a lot of vegan restaurants, had vegan treats, but I also had fruit and veg a lot and went for lots of walks and bike rides. I didn’t care what I was eating and I was happy.

When I came home, I knew I had to make a change because I was so unhappy with my body.

Currently:

It’s now July 2015 and I’ve made some great changes so far in my diet and exercise.

I now understand that Freelee wasn’t wrong, and I wasn’t wrong, I was just too caught up in other people’s lives/advice, and what works for them that I forgot what works for ME, Katrina.

That’s amazing that Freelee can eat 2500 to 3000 calories a day – but now I know that she cycles A LOT. In Chang Mai, she cycled up the mountain every single day. She works her body and is constantly moving, so she NEEDS that many calories to sustain herself. So she is 100%…. for her OWN body.

My body is different. Everyone’s bodies are different. So I don’t think she should be taking what works best for HER, and recommending other girls and boys being doing the exact same thing.

It messes with people’s lives because here I was, a naive teenage girl, thinking that I could eat 3000+ calories and not workout. And look what happened – I gained weight.

So I appreciate what she is doing and that’s awesome that it works for her – but remember people, your body is not her body. We are all different and what works for one person may not work for the next.

I currently have shrunk my portion sizes to eat until I am satisfied, no longer stuffing myself to fit in calories.

Also when I was in Australia, I think I was eating less amounts because I didn’t always have such a huge variety/selection of food. I was constantly traveling from city to city and couldn’t do a proper grocery shop, so I basically just ate whatever I bought that day or day before, which resulted in eating smaller portion sizes.

So it was no problem coming home and eating less. In fact, on my second day home, I tried to have 3 bananas in my nana ice cream, and I was so full half way through. I didn’t listen to my body though – I pushed through and finished the whole thing. Then I felt like shit afterwards and was way to full. After that, I learned my lesson and now will eat less, and stop when I am actually full. No more making the same mistakes as before.

I also started cycling everyday. I usually do that in the summer anyways, and it felt so good to get back on my bike and just ride. I started off doing 5k, then 8k, then I was doing 10k for a couple days, and now, just two days ago, I did 20k in one day 🙂 I feel so proud and accomplished when I finish a long cycle.

I still eat the exact same foods as before, just smaller portion sizes.

Because my body still doesn’t need as much as Freelee’s. So I bike as much as I want, and I eat as much as I can, and if that means only 2 bananas and 2 mangos in 1 smoothie, then that is fine with me. I also used to make GIANT salads for dinner, but now I use a smaller bowl to portion-control myself.

Hopefully this new regime works for ME and helps me tone up and lose that excess weight that I gained over the winter time. I just want to be happy and healthy, with both my mind and my body.

And I want that for everybody else as well.

So if you’re reading this, just remember, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY!! Eat what works best for you. Some people can have smoothies for breakfast, some people can have oatmeal. Some people can eat 20 bananas, some people can only eat 1. And that’s 100% okay because we are all so different and unique in our own ways. So from now on, throw out the diets and advice from other people. Stop following what works for them, and start doing what works for YOU!

I’m not ‘high carb low fat’, or ‘raw till 4’….. I’m just Katrina.

I hope this helps and I’m sorry for ranting for so long. I just had to talk about this.

Lots of love,
Katrina

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27 Comments

  • Reply
    Cassie Tran
    July 22, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    Awesome job with your cycling! And don’t feel sorry for pouring your heart and soul into this post! I think this is something that practically EVERYBODY struggling on the HCLF or Rawtill4 diet has to see. If all fruit bats have seen plenty of all the Rawtill4 videos, they should clearly know that the reason why the famous HCLF gurus are so successful on this diet is because they exercise as a lifestyle, especially cycling since it’s a way of transportation! As a city girl who only exercises for an hour a day and then drives for transportation no way in the world could I fit in all that food. Freelee and I actually have the same stats (sometimes I weigh a little less though) but we both follow COMPLETELY different lifestyles/diets–I’m not even a vegetarian or a vegan!
    Do I want to be HCLF or Rawtill4? At this moment absolutely not. I don’t like the idea that you have to go against your intuition and “stretch” your stomach until you feel uncomfortably 120% full (eww), do intense exercise multiple hours a day to burn off all that energy (I can be doing many other things with that time), restrict your timing with foods (what if it’s the winter and I want hot cinnamon raisin oatmeal for breakfast instead of a cold mango smoothie?), decrease your fat intake (I LOVE AVOCADOS AND PEANUT BUTTER! I JUST DO!), and this may sound petty but lastly, I don’t want to affiliate myself with a community that is growing more and more brainwashed with the motive to go HCLF is for the PERFECT PHYSICAL FIGURE and not to save the animals (I see more bikini photos and less facts/ethical posts for vegan persuasion…”Look at my body! I lost THIRTY POUNDS going HCLF VEGAN even though I was healthy BEFORE I did!” Umm, good for you?). I’ve been looking into veganism but I want to start when I am personally ready and am 110% sure I will do it right. I wish more people could relate to this rather than retort against those who just do happen to not succeed on a HCLF diet and be rude and brainwashed. Thank you again for this incredible post! <3

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      Katrina
      August 1, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      Good for you girl! 🙂 Thank you so much <3

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    Claudia | Breakfast Drama Queen
    July 23, 2015 at 4:38 am

    This was so interesting to read! I think you’re 100% right about not thinking that what works for other people will work for you. Thank you for such an honest post 🙂

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      Katrina
      August 1, 2015 at 1:00 pm

      Awe thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it xx

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    Cici
    July 24, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    I love this post!
    To all the “gurus” out there that are preaching this lifestyle – I think they are deceiving not only their viewers but also themselves. The most important thing as you stated is to listen to your body! What works for you might not work for others. Plus I also don’t believe that stuffing yourself until you almost pass out is the right thing to do… So I’m a big opponent of those self acclaimed health pioneers and everyone living this lifestyle. What it all comes down to is that they have an impaired cognition when it comes to food and eating. I should know because I just recovered from orthorexia nervosa which lead to binge eating. It’s a long path to being fully healed but I am determined to get there! So whenever I hear of a friend or just someone that eats in a restricted way it really makes my heart ache! I wish for them to wake up before it’s too late but often times those people are so stubborn and don’t want to hear anything else. Well, you didn’t want to and I didn’t want to either haha. Just like you, I am 13 kg heavier and have stretchmarks around my hips and stomach area…I can relate to you in so many ways!
    Could you diminish the stretchmarks by dry brushing? I might try that if it works!
    Hope you have a lovely day!

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      Katrina
      August 1, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      Exactly! And yes I’ve been trying dry-brushing. I’ve heard such amazing things about it but I haven’t seen an improvement so far YET, but I’m still hoping for the best 😀 Hope you have a great day as well xx

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    Lisa
    July 29, 2015 at 8:34 am

    Think you for this blog, I totally agree that each individual should listen to his or her own body…be your own person…I have come to learn this in the pass year

    I tried to follow the raw until 4 and did really well at the beginning but soon became a problem b/c I starting eating to many calories…so now I just do me….eating a vegan diet not b/c someone else is doing it but b/c it’s the best diet for me and keeping a close eye on portions but still enjoying my food. I hate counting calories so eating a clean vegan diet with a few vegan snack here and there works best for me. I really enjoy your website so keep on doing what your doing….

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      Katrina
      August 1, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      That’s awesome, good for you 🙂 And awe thank you so much <3

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    Sonja
    August 15, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    Dear Katrina,
    I am 41 years old and whole my life I was somehow struggling with my weight and some ideal look. To be honest, I was never fat. During my first pregnancy, I gained little and before you know it I was back in my old jeans. And stayed pretty thin until my second pregnancy. That time I gained some pounds and loosing it afterwards was difficult. But I made it. Without dieting. But, I didn’t do any sports. Three years ago I noticed that I am gaining weight. Slowly, but I did. One morning I jumped on a scale and I was terrifying. I was again on my weight like after second pregnancy. But this time I was not pregnant :). So, I started with Dukan diet. And it was good, but my body has changed over the years and 60 kg did not look the same as it looks when I was 30. So I started to cut the food and basically doing nonsense with the eating and almost make myself the eating disorder. What did save me? Running and fitness. And cutting some bad carbs like sweets, pasta, white bread. I stumbled upon your page because I was reading some vegan recipes because I find them nice and want to try them. All things you have written are 100% correct and more of young girls should read it. I have also read the story of some other girl who is eating boxes and boxes of bananas in just 2 weeks (+ some other vegetables and fruits, tons of rice and potato) and she claims that SHE will start to loose the weight. But she did not. Not with over 3000 calories and no sport. Stay cool and smart!
    Sonja

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    Abbi
    October 3, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    Hi Katrina, interesting post but OMG! I mean I dont watch freelee but that was pretty obvious you never ever have to force your body and since I started veganism I have always heard people saying you just have to eat until you are satisfied, no more no less, and if freelee says that, that is really bad advice for young girls or people who are just starting on this type of “diet”… but you still on HCLF right?

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    2legit
    March 19, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    freelee doesn’t actually say you have to stuff yourself – you’re supposed to work it out for yourself, e.g. she recommends a minimum of 2100-2500 cals for women, but encourages you to tweak your eating – if you’re still hungry after your last cooked-carb meal of the day, it means you didn’t eat enough fruit, so add a little more in the next day. so you start off eating what feels comfortable, and if you notice you’re still hungry in the evenings, or late afternoons, try to squeeze in more fruits/cooked carbs. she also preaches consistent exercise – not minimal – such as 20-40 mins of fun exercise at talking pace, 5-6 days per week, with two or three of those days being a higher intensity (e.g. cycling up a steep hill).

    i do agree that everybody’s needs are different – i don’t think hclf works for everybody – but i was a bit troubled about some of the misinformation you published here.

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    Kerri McGrail
    March 30, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    I know this is an older post- but it came at the right time for me! I have been following a HCLF vegan diet for about 6ish months and initially saw great results, but have found that I think I may have stretched my stomach a bit too much too. It’s like I am almost never full anymore. Now I gained a few pounds (I think from being on spring break), which I’m sure I will lose, but I totally agree that eating until satisfied is the best way to go! Not everyone can eat 10 bananas in a smoothie or 2 kilos of potatoes at a time, and that is just fine!

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    Christina Adame
    April 29, 2016 at 1:27 am

    Thanks I found this post extremely helpful. I went vegan as of 4/23/16 for Earth Day, Rawtill4 seemed like a good plan to manage the transition, but I began packing in calories. Trying to reach the portions, glad I saw this advice before I got too far in, I will modify my plan to suit my needs, and add more exercise. Raw, nutrient dense foods allow you to get more volume for your calories, but eating more calories than you expend will result in weight gain. I know, this, but was blinded by the idea that going vegan hclf would some how flip the magic switch. Thanks for putting things back in perspective!

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    Stephanie Hackett
    May 11, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    I appreciate this post so very much Katrina!
    I saw your original post about how to eat HCLF and was about to print it all out but then I saw the link to this one.
    I have been vegan for just about a year now and have gained weight since. Last year I won The Biggest Loser Competition at work (16.5 lbs in 8 weeks!) and I gained it all back plus some. I am now doing the 2016 Biggest Loser and wanted to see if upping my carb intake and lowering my fat intake would work for my body.
    I’ve read about HCLF for so long but was definitely worried about all of the things you mentioned.
    What would you suggest I start with? I walk for an hour a day (I have a pedometer and usually reach 10-12,000 steps a day) and when I’m not sick with this week-long cold I usually workout 45 mins. 3-4 days a week on top of that.
    I would really appreciate your input and would love to hear exactly what you eat and do in a day and if you’ve seen positive results.

    Stephanie

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    Lynn
    May 21, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    Thanks so much Katrina! I have been having really bad struggles with my body lately and have an ed history. I see all these girls doing these diets and was about to start it myself. It’s nice to hear some reality that you have to do what works for you. It makes complete sense of course! So easy to get brainwashed by all the media out there x

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    Athena
    June 1, 2016 at 11:23 am

    We have the same story! But yet I haven’t started to listen to my body and eat as much as I can eat! I used to stuff my face just to get enough calories in! <3 But after reading this, I will listen to my body and eat only untill I'm full 🙂 THANK YOU

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    Zandra
    June 12, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    THANK YOU SO MUCH!! For this post. To make a long story short. About a month ago i switch fom vegeterian LCHF to be vegan LFHC. I have been eating the way i feel is good for me and eating when i am is hungry and stoped when i am full, but back in my head, a little voice have been picking me, scaring me that i am going to gain weight again etc… I am not doing this just to lose weight. I am following my heart, following what i belive is right, but i would lie if i didn´t say that i want to lose weight, but i don´t want to be a slave under restrictions (i have a eating disorder, i am so sick off calorie counting, carb counting, fat counting…) i want to eat what i belive is right, when i am hungry untill i am full. I want to get a healty mind… relationship towards food… and after getting so confused by every advice about raw till 4 and not to talk down freelee, but yeah that kind of thinking of Life… I just want to live, be healthy happy and not let any animals suffer for that. I hope you understand what i am trying to say, i am sorry for misspelling etc, i am from sweden 😛

    What i want to say that your postgave me Comfort, support for my way of thinking. I am going to keep do what i do and keep do the extra workout, when i feel like it 😀

    Wish you a great week!

    / Zandra

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    gilliangiblin
    July 8, 2016 at 8:09 am

    Than you for writing this! I really enjoyed reading it, especially as I have just recently reading about rawtill4 and will be taking your advice xxx

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    Clara
    July 26, 2016 at 8:15 am

    Thanks so much, dear Katrina!
    I have been hclf vegan for two years now. I haven’t gained much, and most due to injuries which made it impossible to do sports, but I am still a little overweight and totally unhappy about that.
    Because of your post I just realized I eat too much and stretch my tummy too far (i can drink 2L without pain…), so I’ll adjust my potion size and overall caloric intake.
    I don’t want to wait years to be happy with my body, so I’ll make a change now.
    Love from Europe,
    Clara

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    Amanda
    September 1, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    Thank you for a lovely blog post. I am transitioning into the vegan lifestyle at the moment and I have never felt better BUT I have also been feeling overwhelmed with all that I see, hear and read on social media and on the internet. So I would truly like to thank you for a great post and reminder to one self – I will truly listen more to my own body and act accordingly just like you did.

    Love
    Amanda

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    Kerstan
    September 20, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    Can the HCLF vegan diet be great so long as you eat for your personal caloric needs and only until you’re full? I really want to try this, but with all the conflicting information out there, I’m hesitant.

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    Alice
    September 21, 2016 at 1:08 am

    I really like this! I have been eating sort of HCLF for the past few months and lets just say that people have been noticing my portion sizes and how my face got a little chubbier, though I have not personally noticed. I feel like not being HCLF would be good for me! I just don’t know how to downgrade my portion sizes as much hehe. I eat about a cup of rice/oats if I’m having rice/oatmeal, not sure if that is a lot. My normal day would be a bowl of cereal/oatmeal, lunch would be a full bowl of pasta/potatoes with veg/ rice with veg, and dinner would be about the same as lunch. I would snack a little in between, maybe some banana chips, apple slices, or something. I feel like I have definitely increased my portion sizes a bit, as I have not been eating this much before, but again, I was only eating about 1400 cals a day before. I don’t know what to do! I don’t like the situation I am in, but at the same time I want to but don’t know how to change it. If anyone would like to help hehe 🙂

    Thanks so much!
    Alice

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    Katrin
    September 24, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    Hi there, I just have founded this discussion. SO far,I was considering going HCLF vegan cause everybody on the youtube sem t be and proclaim it works…but for me, I was the way how to eat a little more. I suffer frm anorexia, so, thinking that any way that I can “overcome” my disordered brain Will help. SO, I saw th HCLF vegan as a way to eat – I also love the idea f veganinsm, even so far, I o cnsume dairy product, occcasional egg or sometime fish. I would LOVE to be vega but I really have fier that I will do hard to my body, nt eatin what every “mainsttream” doctor proclaim. Bt they dont understand that it is a PROBLEM to stuff whatever. Can you see the point? So far I wanted to follow HCLF because I is kind of way how to be heatlhy(I really DO NOT want to LOSE weight I just want to be fine with these voices and eat). My Question is…do you think HCLF vegan can work if we will not overstuffed? Or, are you those who followed HCLF vegan? Or not? Pleas, give me an advice. I do love avo and nuts. I do love oats, rice and beens, but – as I am supposed not to eat any dairy or animal protein, maybe it should be replaced BY SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF CARBS: That what I though HCLF vegan is also about. Or – how should I deal wih veganism? And what anbout these authors like MCDOUGHAL? Or Ornish? These are nt brainwashed by freelee…..what is your idea?

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    Jackie
    September 29, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    Katrina! Thank you so much for this post! I have been vegan for almost 2 years now and originally, I had been eating very low carb during the week and processed vegan on the weekends and it was always leaving me hungry and tired. I decided then, that maybe I should try HCLF and see if that makes a difference. I have been on HCLF for about 3 months now and at first, I was thinking I was eating too little because I have not gone one day eating over 2,000 calories! My body just can’t do it. And I see all of these YouTube videos with everyone eating 2,500+ calories a day and I think to myself, “How do they eat that much!!? Why can’t my body do that??” and I would become frustrated with myself. However, after reading this blog post, I am reminded that not everyone’s bodies are the same! I’m thankful for reading this because I clearly would have GAINED weight if I was stuffing my face to get in the calories like the YouTubers claim to do. If anyone in this discussion is wondering, I have lost weight by going HCLF! I eat till I am full and my energy throughout the day is so much better! I have NEVER had a smoothie with more than 4 bananas. Like I said, my body just can’t eat that much in one sitting. An example of what I eat in the day is as follows: Breakfast – Half or Whole cantaloupe/watermelon/etc (melons digest best by themselves and in the morning) Lunch – Fruit smoothie with 2-3 bananas, 1-2 cups of fruit, spinach, nut butter/etc or a bowl of nicecream. Dinner – 2-3 sweet or white potatoes with veggies or chickpea pasta w/ sauce or rice w/ beans & veggies or a large salad w/ a salad dressing with little oil/fat. I used to be SCARED of eating potatoes. Now, I have them for dinner at least 3 times a week. If I’m still hungry, I just eat more until I’m satisfied. If I’m full, I stop eating. This has worked for me and has left me full and satisfied and with lots of energy! I’m not saying it will work for everyone but I KNOW that eating 2,500+ calories would have probably made me gain weight. Thanks for sharing because now I don’t feel as frustrated with myself and feel like I’m on the right track for MY body! <3 Jackie

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      Katrina Nerisse
      September 30, 2016 at 2:01 am

      Jackie, I’m so happy for you! That is awesome 🙂 I’m glad you’re not stuffing yourself. My pleasure, glad I could be of assistance xx

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